Tuesday, October 07, 2008

Debate on God and Faith

INTERESTING CONVERSATION

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new Christian students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God.. .
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theater becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light , bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the
argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable. )

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

NB:
I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. ..and if so...you'll
probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy the same...won't
you?...forward them to increase their knowledge...

Have a nice day.

18 comments:

  1. cery clever boy---mukhang di kinaya ng mga nerves ko sa brain arguments nya. But it's true, that's why it's called faith. It's something you can have and believe for yourself. Even nobody has the right to stop you from believing in things that you would like to believe in......

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  2. Magnificent! :D Very well said by the student. Philosophy really contradicts. I doubt on the saying: "to see is to believe", like mentioned on the last part, we can't see brain but we know its there, also the wind. I can't accept "God created all, so God created evil", no he doesn't, dig deeper, study the bible, seek the truth. :D

    FAITH, indeed, is the best thing we havd. No one can change it.

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  3. http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

    This is based on a contrived story about Einstein.

    Also, no professor worth his salt would answer some of those questions with just a "Yes."

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  4. wow very nice post.
    Thanks for sharing bai james :)

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  5. I enjoy reading this debate! Thanks for sharing this Sir.. este bro.. (~_^)

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  6. hey there! a bit sensitive topic we have here. but i hope you'll still participate.=) here's our coffee break http://labskiddies.blogspot.com/2008/10/coffee-break-ver-139.html

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  7. mr.dj can i make a request c: hehehe... i would like to post this on my other blog and link it back to you too c:

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  8. @iceah its ok with me.. just link back to this topic.. hehe

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  9. yeah! we had a similar discussion with our prof in philo when i was in college.. although no one talked back like that to our prof.. lol..

    indeed faith keeps things alive.. :-) i believe that.. (and that's already faith) lol XD

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  10. awwww...
    una ko po itong nabasa dahil nagdala ng hard copy yung kapatid ko sa bahay namin...

    super ang galing...

    ang galing ng logic...

    God bless po...

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  11. wow this is a very nice conversation, thanks for sharing it james... oh by the way its me Maikeru ^^

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  12. love the debate. so the student was einstein? really a genius. we discussed something like this in our philosophy of religion yet no one was clever enough to debate with our teacher the way he did. haha. can i post this on my blog? i'll still refer it to yours. uki lng? btw, care to ex-links? i'll link u first. tnx for dropping by also..

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  13. sure...you can post it on your blog and refer me back here... and its my pleasure to add you on my links also..

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  14. according to Hebrew 11:1 to have faith is to be sure of the things we hope for, to be certain of the things we cannot see.
    no one can please GOD without Faith, nice discussions. God bless.

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  15. I love this!...I'm your fan now, count me in if I'm not the first...
    :D

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